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Post by London Knights on Nov 25, 2015 23:18:06 GMT -5
We are currently looking at the possibility of adding an extra reserve spot on the main roster so teams may carry a third goalie. With goalie injuries, teams can get into a bind two ways. Firstly, if the goalie is only listed day to day, GMs cannot put them in IR and pickup a goalie from FA. Secondly, a prospect can only move between rosters once during the week. So if your injured goalie comes back during the week, the prospect replacement cannot go back down again.
If we do add an extra spot, only a minor league eligible goalie can be used in that spot. That is, no goalies over 26 and over 50 games played in their career.
Thoughts?
Edit: Change title to reflect new conversation
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Post by Soo Greyhounds on Nov 25, 2015 23:28:09 GMT -5
It's our goal to avoid making changes during the season. However, we certainly have an issue with goaltending and have had a few GM's propose this idea. We will discuss the possibilities in this thread and if the feedback is good we will then put it up for league vote. In order to make a change during the season it will have to pass by a very large margin. This isn't going to be a majority vote takes it type deal.
I think this is a good move for the league. It still keeps the same amount of goalies in circulation on free agency but allows us some type of flexibility in net. Particularly in the event of a roster goalie getting sick or having a minor day-to-day injury that doesn't require being placed on IR. It will also add some trade value to prospect goalies which could make things a little interesting.
I don't see this rule change having a drastic negative impact on how guys have drafted their teams. It's unlikely any one prospect goalie plays a consistent volume of games throughout the season. Obviously the same prospect movement rules would apply to your prospect goalie roster position (you would only be allowed to switch your prospect goalie once per week).
We are also open to other suggestions at this time.
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Post by Flint Firebirds on Nov 26, 2015 8:22:10 GMT -5
Ok I'm going to play devil's advocate here. I like the idea of the option to carry a third prospect goalie in the main line up, however these are the potential issues if we do it.
1. Not everyone has the cap space to do this
2. What's to say someone doesn't just use this extra roster spot to house another skater position. It would required all of to police one another daily to make sure that's not happening.
3. To avoid the IR and day to day injury issue, you could change the setting to make anyone with a red glaf IR eligible
4. How many of these goalies are realistic plays aside from Condon, Vas, Gibson, Nilsson, Ullmark. Otherwise you're basically moving a minor league goalie that is years away from playing to the active to fill that slot.
All in all I like the idea of being able to carry a third goalie, I just want us to be careful how we go about doing it.
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Post by Hamilton Bulldogs on Nov 26, 2015 10:58:59 GMT -5
I agree with Flint. The main issue is not being able to move the goalie to IR. I had to wait a week to move Hiller to IR.
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Post by Soo Greyhounds on Nov 26, 2015 11:46:21 GMT -5
You make a few good points Flint. I messed around with the settings and it is possible to make players with the red flag eligible for IR. The red flag is always updated immediately anytime a player is possibly going to be missing any amount of time.
I think this is a really strong option that we should consider. Obviously it's going to allow teams to put any player on IR who has a red flag but I wouldn't consider that a bad thing anyway.
The other good thing to this approach is that it wouldn't negatively effect anyone.
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Post by Flint Firebirds on Nov 26, 2015 11:52:04 GMT -5
You make a few good points Flint. I messed around with the settings and it is possible to make players with the red flag eligible for IR. The red flag is always updated immediately anytime a player is possibly going to be missing any amount of time. I think this is a really strong option that we should consider. Obviously it's going to allow teams to put any player on IR who has a red flag but I wouldn't consider that a bad thing anyway. The other good thing to this approach is that it wouldn't negatively effect anyone. whatever you did completely altered the standings. edit: fixed now |
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Post by London Knights on Nov 26, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -5
I think being able to move red flag (DTD) guys into IR would help maintain balance and help out with the goalie injury situation. With only 2 IR spots, and 2 adds per week, GMs would not be able to abuse this option.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 12:46:48 GMT -5
I don't think we should create another roster spot for the prospect tender. It should be a current bench spot that can be used so if a gm goes that route , they lose an offensive spot. Also don't think it should be implemented until the off season, otherwise I wouldn't have moved condon and Raanta . To big of a change for right now.
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Post by Kitchener Rangers on Nov 26, 2015 13:04:41 GMT -5
I agree with Sudbury, we can't change the amount of goalie spots midseason.
I like the idea that players on DTD can go to IR.
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Post by London Knights on Nov 26, 2015 15:09:43 GMT -5
Ok, So I think most people are ok with DTD being able to go on IR. This would eliminate any extra roster spaces.
I changed the title of the thread to reflect new conversation
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 15:10:40 GMT -5
I agree to be able to add a 3rd goalie spot on main bench, but if used it takes away a skater bench spot (23 man roster is still maintained)
I agree that the goalie rule if changed should be done in offseason
I agree of DTD to IR , mid season or offseason change
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Post by Windsor Spitfires on Nov 26, 2015 22:52:51 GMT -5
I vote yes to:
Maximum one DTD goalie to IR
No DTD skaters to IR
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Post by Kitchener Rangers on Nov 27, 2015 7:27:52 GMT -5
What is the idea behind under 3 million? I'm really against that. All goalies or none.
And I would like to ask (don't know what the idea is atm) that if we add a 3rd goalie spot in the offseason if this is any goalie or only a rookie goalie? Got lost somewhere in this thread:P
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Post by Windsor Spitfires on Nov 27, 2015 23:06:01 GMT -5
What is the idea behind under 3 million? I'm really against that. All goalies or none. And I would like to ask (don't know what the idea is atm) that if we add a 3rd goalie spot in the offseason if this is any goalie or only a rookie goalie? Got lost somewhere in this thread:P Hi. Took out the max 3 million idea. Misunderstood the purpose. Changed it to max one DTD goalie, no DTD skaters on IR |
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Post by Windsor Spitfires on Nov 27, 2015 23:07:33 GMT -5
What is the idea behind under 3 million? I'm really against that. All goalies or none. And I would like to ask (don't know what the idea is atm) that if we add a 3rd goalie spot in the offseason if this is any goalie or only a rookie goalie? Got lost somewhere in this thread:P Hi. Took out the max 3 million idea. Misunderstood the purpose. Changed it to max one DTD goalie, no DTD skaters on IR Found the answer in the top thread : The suggestion by KF is " if we do add an extra spot, only a minor league eligible goalie can be used in that spot." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 10:05:42 GMT -5
I'm gonna chime in here again.
As for right now (mid season change), to accommodate the goalie situation, any goalie with a red flag can be put on IR immediately making room for a call up or free agent.
But I think we need to somewhat overhaul this IR in conjunction with carrying max 2 goalie thing in the off season.
In the off season, I would revert back to only IR eligible can be put on IR. I then would make it so that your 3 bench spots can be used at your discretion. That way you can carry up to 3 bench goalies. There is no extra advantage having 5 goalies, means less skaters which in turn means less skater stats. Extra goalies only advantageous for wins. Also cap comes into play. I would recommend a minimum of 2 gp per h2h matchup for your goalies to qualify for cats.
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Post by Soo Greyhounds on Nov 28, 2015 17:50:18 GMT -5
Not allowing DTD skaters to be used on IR would create more room for error and extra policing. There is not a setting in Fantrax that allows it to be specific to goalies. It's best to use rules that are within Fantrax limitations. When an error gets made it's just not a good situation for the LEB or the GM involved.
I don't see much downside in allowing players who are DTD to be placed on IR. It's not like these players will be DTD for a month. Nobody is going to drop a decent player because they are going to miss one or two games anyways. If you have an available IR slot and a guy goes DTD and you put him on IR then fine, not a big deal. Only having 2 IR slots keeps the DTD thing in check anyways. It would be different if we had 6 IR spots and someone could put half their roster on IR for DTD reasons.
As far as allowing additional goalies to be used in a bench position. That's certainly an option for this summer.
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Post by London Knights on Nov 29, 2015 12:45:29 GMT -5
let's do it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 14:12:48 GMT -5
So whats the consensus ?...Is DTD I.R. Eligible now?
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Post by Soo Greyhounds on Nov 29, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
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